As we watch Obama turn into just another stuffed suit with a conservative agenda (“did I say Change? Oh, no, you must have understood me wrong; I just wanted to know if you could break a twenty, that’s all…”) there is no end to the supply of ill-informed discourse on matters of life and death and civilization and democracy. Digby tears apart the latest round of ignorance as presented by two US Senators as they “discuss” the myriad reasons why they can’t support the closure of Gitmo.
Digby, Greenwald and everyone else has already pointed out most of the embarrasing shit these scumbags put up as their rationale, but there’s just one small point I wanted to add: if, as Chambliss and Nelson claim, everybody in Gitmo is known to have killed Americans, then why can’t we try them for just such a crime? If you have enough proof to definitively state that they’re horrible no good awful people who have done terrible things, then presumably you have a case to take to court. That was how stuff like this used to work until our legal system suddenly, inexplicably failed and had to be set aside for waterboarding and indefinite detention.
On the other hand: if you don’t have any proof that would stand up in court, then what possible justification do you have for detaining these people in the first place? The word of some random “ally” in Northern Pakistan who picked up a guy that he thought looked suspicious and maybe belonged to a tribe he didn’t care for anyway, and so, “here, Uncle Sam, this is a very bad man, take him away please.”
It’s sad, but I think it’s really over. Obama was supposed to be the hail mary pass for democracy and decency and the rule of law, accountability and all that, and instead he’s proven to be a complete waste of time. Not surprising, alas, but really, really disappointing and deeply troubling.
Nice to get the occasional reminder of why my kids aren’t involved with the Scout movement in any way, shape or form.
According to the New York Times, when they’re not busy pushing their patrio-religious shtick on unsuspecting little kids, teaching them to be good bigots, the Boy Scouts of America are teaching kids the fine art of xenophobia and militancy. Little brownshirts-in-training — Adolph would’ve been so proud:
The Explorers program, a coeducational affiliate of the Boy Scouts of America that began 60 years ago, is training thousands of young people in skills used to confront terrorism, illegal immigration and escalating border violence — an intense ratcheting up of one of the group’s longtime missions to prepare youths for more traditional jobs as police officers and firefighters.
The training, which leaders say is not intended to be applied outside the simulated Explorer setting, can involve chasing down illegal border crossers as well as more dangerous situations that include facing down terrorists and taking out “active shooters,” like those who bring gunfire and death to college campuses. In a simulation here of a raid on a marijuana field, several Explorers were instructed on how to quiet an obstreperous lookout.